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KJZ's avatar

'I’ve known a lot of people who are very pro internet piracy but for some reason very anti AI models “stealing” art.'

Great to see someone make this point. As someone who makes and sells copyrighted content for a living, I've spent twenty years hearing from everyone online that piracy (i.e. swiping a copy of my work instead of paying me for it) is actually progressive and fine. Now the same voices are insisting that AI art (i.e. using a model where my work might represent one ten millionth of the training data) is an intolerable act of theft. That makes no sense to me. As a creator I would so much rather people use LLMs than use torrents.

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BKE's avatar

I think this is another exceptionally well-researched, well-written and well-argued piece.

On the topic of whether AI art is stolen art, I agree with you, because I understand how LLMs work, but that is not how regular people think about this.

1. Regular people don't see further than, training input goes in and output comes out. The point that the model will pick up vibes from a multitude of artwork doesn't make this not stealing in their mind, it just steals from all of them. This view operates with a different definition, i.e. what makes it not stealing is the artist adding their unique individuality to the many influences they had. What this means is of course not well defined, nevertheless it will be very difficult to convince someone who operates under a different definition. So it would have been good to elaborate a bit on why stick to your definition.

2. Modern AI is not seen as something open and democratic, but controlled by big tech and as such exploiting people to make huge profits in the hands of few. Regardless of how much truth is in this view, people don't judge AI art in a vacuum just purely from a technological POV, but they consider the social context (which might in part also explain why piracy might be judged differently).

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